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Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: di 13 feb 2018, 11:51
door FakeBottles
Counterfeiting in wine and whisky is more widely documented, but in recent years a lot of counterfeit bottles of Cognac have appeared on the market.
This site was started in order to warn people about these counterfeit bottles after it was discovered that many of these fake bottles originated from a limited number channels and had one particular source in common.
Hopefully, it will help to unearth more of these bottles and get them off the market.

http://www.fakebottles.com

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: di 13 feb 2018, 12:53
door Ton
Very interesting information! Thank you for sharing this link.
Buyers be warned!

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: di 13 feb 2018, 15:48
door Roland
I've send your site to Emile Smits from Catawiki.

Maybe it can help him.

Kind regards,
RolanD

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: di 13 feb 2018, 16:56
door Roland
Probably oldliquors.com also bought some Rouyer 1875

https://www.oldliquors.com/public/searc ... rentPage=1


Kind regards,
RolanD

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: wo 14 feb 2018, 00:01
door FakeBottles
Thank you Roland,

We want to ask everyone to share this in every kind of way possible.
Tried several times to place this on German boards as well but the messages are being deleted and accounts are blocked instantly.
It’s a shame, every collector/trader must read this to prevent further damage.

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: wo 14 feb 2018, 06:26
door Roland
FakeBottles schreef:Thank you Roland,

We want to ask everyone to share this in every kind of way possible.
Tried several times to place this on German boards as well but the messages are being deleted and accounts are blocked instantly.
It’s a shame, every collector/trader must read this to prevent further damage.


I place a link of your site on Facebook, 2 groups : Cognac-Forum and Cognac-Ambassadors.
Both have more then 2.000 members.

Some members from Norway bought his Rouyer 1875 (around € 800).

We are happy with your site.
Keep up the good work.

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: do 15 feb 2018, 08:02
door Roland
A friend from Norway (who bought a Rouyer 1875) send an email to Walther Scharrenbeck.

He received this answer :

Hi,
i knew this guy, it´s from netherlands and he wants to hurt me since one year.
He is cowardly and hide his Impressum ! Why ?
I knew also why, it was a burst buisiness.

It´s so easy to say, it´s a fake on the internet.
Sometimes it makes me angry - but heh, they are only angry !

Open a Bottle, Morten, drink it and than tell me, it´s a Fake !

Walther

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: do 15 feb 2018, 14:28
door Ton
What to think about this?

Augier 1888.jpg
Augier 1888.jpg (41.99 KiB) 490 keer bekeken

All Augier vintages from this era have a different neck label than the above, like the following bottles:
Augier vintages.jpg
Augier vintages.jpg (108.32 KiB) 490 keer bekeken

Then I saw this bottle:
Balluteaud 1888.png
Balluteaud 1888.png (216.11 KiB) 490 keer bekeken

It looks very clear someone pinched the neck label of the Balluteaud bottle and sticked it on the Augier one.

Who has the e-mail address of Walther Scharrenbeck to ask about this one? Or maybe this one is not from his collection, but the Augier bottle above is from antiquewinesandspiritis.com.

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: do 15 feb 2018, 18:49
door FakeBottles
Good find Ton!

Yes, i think most of the cognac on this page came from Scharrenbeck.
a lot of labels on these bottles are all for sale at Ebay, also all these labels have the same artificial orange ageing.
Some capsules on these bottles also look strange, i found a lot of bottles from this source with a strange gold lined capsule.
Most of these bottles can be found on antiquewinesandspirits.com but also on calvados.de

Re: Warning for fake bottles on the market

Geplaatst: do 15 feb 2018, 19:22
door dsf
Maybe i missed this part but are you or were you in contact with Mr.Scharrenbeck on this matter?
I mean did you try to get his version of the story before posting this?

Because if these are indeed falsified and he knew, you deserve a medal for bringing this to the surface but this is than also a police matter i would say.